E17: From School Teacher to Pride Festival Producer with Julia Music

Jim: What is up Remote Start Nation, let's get something started. I'm Jim Doyon, and I want to welcome you to another episode of Remote Start, where I bring you stories and strategies on how to start a business, build a brand, and create your desired lifestyle. On today's episode, I want to bring in someone really special, someone that I've had the pleasure of working with in Woodward Movements hometown in a front Michigan for years now. She's done a lot for the community and has turned her event into one of the biggest in the city awareness and loved the community. Also proud to say that for years now Woodward Movement has been the merchandise partner of this incredible event. Julia, recently walked away from teaching so she could focus full time as an event producer on the Ferndale Pride Festival which she co founded in 2011 and then took over running all operations back in 2014. I wanna take our time together in this episode to discuss with Julia, what it was like to go full time as a producer, the growth of the Ferndale Pride Festival, and to really dig into some of the behind the scenes work that goes into such an incredible event. So without further ado, I want to welcome Julia Music, welcome to the Remote Start Nation.

Julia: Thank you so much for having me today Jim, I appreciate the time and you're taking just interview me.

Jim: Absolutely, we've been talking about this for a while and with, June coming up, and I just think it's such an awesome time to have you on the show, and you know, with that said, I let's start this off, like, tell everyone listening to Remote Start Nation something about you that if we wouldn't know you, if we had just met you, tell us something that we wouldn't know.

Julia: Well, you know from living in Ferndale, down friend knows really unique place with a lot of a lot of people with interesting hobbies and I am one of the one of the people who's really into a club we have here called Ferndale’s crazy caterpillar people, and we work on planting native plants in the area for caterpillars to lay their eggs and to eat from, and then we take the caterpillars and put them into a safe environment so that birds don't eat them so that we can help restore the butterfly population, so that's like my favorite hobby and, yeah, it's very Ferndale like, in its way.

Jim: That is very Ferndale-ly, very, it's it seems like one of those things is very peaceful, very rewarding it the same time.

Julia: Yes it is.

Jim: So, let's get to a more stressful conversation, let's talk about the event, let's talk about Ferndale Pride and you know how to get started and trying to give us little back history on it.

Julia: So in 2011, motor city pride that had originally started operating in Riello, they had moved to a Ferndale previously, in 2011, they decided they wanted to make their move to Detroit, really expand their event and become the motor city pride that Detroit deserved, and so, they when they did that,  it felt very strange and Ferndale, because Ferndale is the LGBTQ neighborhood of Michigan, and our restaurants and shops are very much catered to our community although everyone's welcome always in Ferndale, it just felt like a big piece of our city was missing, I  actually moved to Ferndale out and what with one of the reasons being the pride festival being right there, was like oh I can live there, I can always go pride of a great time,and then it was gone and so Craig Covey who was our former mayor he was the first openly gay mayor in state of Michigan, myself Greg Pollica and Monica Mills who are all people who have done projects and big events before decided let's do something, so the first year we had only a few weeks to really throw things together, so we had a series of marches throughout the city, we did like kind of a pub crawl march, we did a light the night against hate march, and we did a I believe a history march, a long time ago already, so few different marches and kind of rally people the second year we were able to close down the street and then we've just grown ever since.

Jim: How many people are you expecting this year for 2022 march or pride festival.

Julia: Well, we think throughout the week we'll have about 20,000 people come in, the festival itself is on one day but we have events leading up to an events after for the whole month now, actually, so quite a bit of, it brings a lot of people there's it's one of the number one days for the shopping district and Ferndale in many places we'd be Christmas in some of our bars we beat Saint Patrick's day, so we know that it's a it's a popular day.

Jim: That's awesome, and it's for such a good, such a good thing too, so I, you know, I wanna kinda discuss so you started in 2011 and then you know, 2014 you decided to go on your own with it and kinda of discuss that a little bit and what that was like.

Julia: So I was driving home from school because I was a teacher you mentioned and I was having these thoughts like, you know, this the special growing is a lot more work, I think I wanna call Craig and ask can I take over the festival, he was doing it at the time and he was talking about retirement quite a bit, so I'm having this these thoughts on my way home and my phone rings and it's Craig, he says I've got a question for you how do you feel about taking over the festival all and I said, I was going to call you to ask you that and so I said this makes it a lot less awkward and so it was a like if just a run a wonderful hand off, he was getting ready to retire move back home to Ohio and I was really invested in the festival as I am still to this day but I had a vision for it and he's, he and I don't have the same vision but he supports what I'm doing with that, so that was kind of an interesting thing to say like, you know what, the it's time for you to take over, so that's how happened.

Jim: That's a cool story, it's one of those you're probably freaking yourself out in your mind about it and then it just happened to work itself out where it was hey, I found a place.

Julia: Yeah it's definitely not every everyday that you think I should call my mentor and ask if I can take their job from them, but you like it was a good time and it worked too so.

Jim: And he done such an incredible job with it, and for 20,000 to be expected over the course of the activities this for the week, like, that's huge growth.

Julia: Give your listeners an idea, Ferndale is only about 23,000t people I think was around the last count, so we're a small town but we've ranked in one of the in the top five for big small town pride to go to in the country so that's really exciting after gave us at accolade so.

Jim: That's cool. What, so you were a teacher for how many years?

Julia: I've taught public school for 19 years and one year in a charter, so 20 years.

Jim: 20 years. It had to be very scary to make the leap?

Julia: It was, there was, there was like, there's a lot of apprehension, like, because you know, it's not so there's a lot of security in teach let's just be honest, there's a teacher shortage of the country, it comes with some great benefits like insurance, but it comes with a lot of stress too and I was literally teaching all day, driving to get my son school, taking a 7 to 15 minute nap in the car depending on traffic, and then working till midnight pride every single night, which was okay in my younger 30s but as I got to my older 30s it started to like actually be extremely painful, physically, and then so, as the time came and stuff started shifting in my teaching career, they were looking at moving me maybe to an elementary school, I just like, you know what, this is the time let's make the leap, price grown big enough that you know you're gonna be able to keep a house of your head but you'll be you'll still have to really churn out the work, and so I did it, and it was hard to leave my kids, I still talked to a lot of my students they still need text messages from some of the high schoolers and a lot of them come to the festival, but it was it was the right choice for me personally so I'm happy with it.

Jim: Did it take a long time of planning and making sure you had everything in a row before you know, that conversation of, hey it's time I'm putting in my notice or was it one of those things that you just knew and it was like I have to do this?

Julia: Yeah, I think if they if they would've said you're gonna be at the high school for the rest of your career, I  would have stuck it out because I really liked my high school job but I, you know, 50% of my life I'm working on pride which often occurs in bars and nightclubs and I'm on a microphone and I am not someone who needs to be working with elementary school children, my sarcasm has went high, and for middle school in high school was great like the kids, kids got it but like I'm a very tattooed lady who when I walk in a room, elementary school kids get scared, and I didn't wanna do that to them, so I think it was the right choice for everybody.

Jim: How long ago was that?

Julia: That was two December ago.

Jim: So you know with the Remote Start Nation, one of the things that we talk a lot about is making that leap and going from you know like you said that secure place that you know, that full time job that you leave to start something unknown and you've had a lot of years of experience with the festival to know where you needed to take it and you know, I, can you give the remote start nation just maybe a couple of thoughts or pointers of you know, things that really helped you to make that transition or you know what you did right at the way when you left to know that hey this is gonna be okay I've got this I know I can make this happen.

Julia: As far as the festival there were like different areas that I kinda focused on building, if that's what you mean, so one of those areas with sponsorship, so making sure that my long term sponsors were happy as I grew the event but also trying to find those new contacts, so a lot of times people say, oh you're out all the time, you're always out partying, it well I'm actually not the one parting I'm having some conversations with people that we can come back to and they're not at the bar so we can contribute sponsorship so there's a lot of just making those personal connection and making sure we can build those sponsorships, and then over the years a lot of learning curve on that like can I actually deliver this much to my sponsors so that we can make our goals and trying to like really tailor to what we can deliver, so that was one facet, the other fast that we have really had to grow was our popularity is an event, so you know people really knew motor city pride, there was a little confusion since it was gonna be in the same location and so we had to really brand our event differently and then also make sure we get the word out which it kinda changed out the years and so once we able to the popularity, build the financial base, it was a little more, I was a little more ready to go, and I still do work some side jobs in between, but now I can feel confident that I have this full time situation.

Jim: Awesome, and I know you know going if the night nightclubs and going out and making those conversations is a great way to network and meet new people, is that something that since you've been full time and not had to worry about getting up early to teach in the morning and I, you've been able to find a lot more time to do?

Julia: Yes, and I wish I wish I'm laughing at you a little bit, because I was still doing that when I was teaching I was just really burnt, my family always said you burn every candle at both ends no matter which candle it is, and I was definitely, I was not a person who needed a lot of sleep to operate so I took advantage of that, but now it's I can actually, I seem to like upload more information about the people because there's more space in my brain and that really helps me because if I know your organization maybe low on funding for sponsorship but really has this great networking program where they do volunteer work, I've got volunteer spots ready to go, so we can always find a way to bring people in and make them feel included, and it doesn't always have to be financial, so we're it's always looking at how can we include people, how can we use whatever skills they bring to the table to make the event better.

Jim: Which has definitely shown over the years as continue to improve. Is there so, giving more time because you're focusing on you know the festival itself and not a full time job and the festival, what are some of the biggest changes over the last would you say, 2 years that you've been able to make.

Julia: Well the pivot pivoting towards through Covid was a huge one, know like that I feel like had to be something I could do in the full time work of pride, because we had companies completely got a business, we had our like company that we used to register our vendors went out of business, our ten company stopped delivering on Saturdays, which just big problem for us so like all these big problems came up but I had the time to solve them which was a really big benefit, because I think when you're trying to do those two jobs, you get bogged down and like okay I have to do this one thing but really my focus today needs to be this other thing, so I was able to prioritize a lot better, and the other thing is I'm able to like fine tune, so there's a constant fine tuning of this event for me and that's like, we wanna listen to the community for their needs, look at those needs see are they it needs across the community or just one person in our community, and if they are we wanna add that to the festival, and then it's how do we add that to the festival and find the types of people who want to volunteer or work that day to make that area come off really well, so like our recovery zone for example, we added that at first we weren't really sure what to do, with the recovery community had some ideas that they wanted to run through it, and then finally this year we with a group called the phoenix, they're a group that does recovery related activities so not just like, not exactly the same as or something like that where you sit down and talk about recovery you go and do yoga or take a class, there's I think they have a writing class, they have all sorts of athletic things, clubs, and so we wanna make that part of the festival, so this year they're taking over the recovery zone and we're just handing that off as far as the activity planning to them growing the children's area, this year we're adding health, our health area, which we've always had but we didn't really I didn't really realize like people don't know that we have all these health services, so I was sitting now I'm speaking to someone from the community who's in the autism part of our community and she said you know, there's no place for people with autism to take a quiet break from stimulation or any one with sensory overload issues, and then also, you know, it's hard for people with disabilities to come to events because they're expensive, so like what do you guys offer when you're there, so I was able to listen to that information, and say okay, now we're gonna create a health page in our pride guide that tells people you can get all these different medical services, you can get free clothing in our pride festival, you can get, you can get mental health counselling, you can get the vaccinations, so all of these different services were offered but now it's like how do I present this to people so that they can use it, we also have a sensory area now for people to take a quiet zone break and put in plugs play with fidget, whatever they need to do to calm down, so making sure that the communities met really helped grow the event because now I can see these different pockets of groups that maybe aren't represented other pride festivals coming to our festival.

Jim: Yeah, incredible what you've done for community and continue to do so, and it's a blessing for the community that you have been able to spend more time on it and just add things like you were just mentioning that, just it takes it to another level and it does make it so everybody can come and enjoy, you know, what you've created, so hats off to doing on that it's, that's awesome.

Julia: Thank you!

Jim: So back to kinda like the teaching, and thing I mentioned in the podcast and other guests have mentioned that, when they're, when they have their full time business or I'm sorry, a job or they go from job before they decide to go full time, and what kind of, what they take with it, and you know, for you being a school teacher, and then you know an event promoter and producer, are there certain takeaways that use today that maybe you did everyday in school or you know in your career that you've kinda continue to do now that has kinda given you a maybe a head start or even just a good grounding of something that you could take with you?

Julia: Yeah, I mean there's a couple different things I can think of for, one of them is teachers are, constantly being told to do things with nothing, come up with something, raise the money yourself, figure it out, so that was really something that just comes naturally, we also have to do so many different things, like I have taught theater and gym and art and I'm not qualified to teach any those things sometimes they need someone, and English and Math and so, it's just like, you constantly have to just, okay, I can learn this I can do it, I can learn it, I can do it so that's kind of in my philosophy and like sometimes it comes back to bite me a little bit, but like last year I was like I can learn web design I need help but now I can actually like program the back of my website for pride which you know that's that was a big step for me because I didn't grow up in that generation, so just kind of being able to be a learner constantly has really helped, at the school they also realized that I had some fun fundraising abilities I had worked on aids watch Detroit before I was kind of in the beginning of my teaching career and so when I, the musical staff noticed that I was able to raise money for some charities and they were like can you help us me 25,000 dollars a year musical and I said, sure why not, I think I can do that, and so I started fundraising there and that helped me create a lot of the templates that I still even used today because I was successful in being able to raise over 25,000 dollars three years in a row, and then I adopted a child and decided to back off of that, but so those two skills though that, that skill of like practicing, fundraising, and pivoting and learning and also like, asking people to help you and not just for relying on Google to learn everything like that is something that's humbling but also important because there's so many experts in the world like today I texted someone said, I'm supposed to do this to this data and, she's like, of course I know how to do that to a spreadsheet like that's her job, you know, and I was like that's why I texted you, but then she'll text me with like other questions, like, I have this other thing I need to do it I have no idea I'm like so you do that yeah this just a lot of information trading and being willing to learn, I think is the most important thing.

Jim: That's awesome, and that, I think that could you know, regardless Remote Start Nation, of what you're doing and what business you wanna start, that shared learning and not being afraid to reach out others as Julia just mentioned, I think it's it goes so far, so thank you for sharing that. You know it's funny I was mountain by this weekend I kinda wanted your opinion on this and the guy was mountain biking with as a school teacher, a counselor actually had a school system here in Asheville North Carolina, and he was telling me how many people are leaving the school system and starting to do things on their own and you know, just almost, just bridge that gap from instead of staying until retirement like going out and making their own thing happen for them and are have you seen that as well with your peers in the school system?

Julia: From my school, I was even 20 years and I was still one of the younger staff members, I was kinda getting to the middle at that point in my career, a lot of people are staying to the end, I was only four years away to be honest this I could have alternate my for first rung full retirement benefits in four years, but the stress of it was just too hard for me, it's interesting though when teachers, the teachers that have stepped away there's one other one who lives at my block from my district, and the change in how you're treated is so incredibly different, you know, people thank me it pride for my job and a lot times teaching is and often fingers are pointed, so there's a sense of self worth that took a while to gain afterwards but it's been really positive.

Jim: That's, thank you for sharing that, it's I because I see it and I have even seen it in some of my friends that have kinda of made the, made the jump and it's almost like as we can like every year more and more comes on your plate as a teacher that you know, you maybe didn't sign up to do or you're being asked to do beyond and I could, I could see it just being very taxing and so I could see how people kinda thank you for what you've done for the community with pride, and on the teaching it's almost like well you're teacher you're supposed to do that for our students and so…

Julia: Wants to go get breakfast for all your kids every day and make sure they have like clean clothes yeah, it's just it's a different, it's a different world, and yeah, I'm I think also though there was always that nagging feeling like I have to get up and do this job, and with pride there's not that nagging feeling in fact there's a sometimes people will say, you have to stop working right now, you know, it's  been midnight and you're working, so that kind of desire to do a job is makes the job much more fun and makes it not feel like work like said saying of like you know you'll never work day in your life well I mean I work hard but I love what I get to do so that's  made my quality of life so much better.

Jim: And when you and when you're, what you do is to put on an event and to sit back at the end and you know do you ever sit you know the week after just kinda sit there and go, wow, what I just what did I just pull off like that has to be so rewarding.

Julia: Yeah, there are definitely some moments there's always a moment during the festival where I just burst into tears and there's no rhyme or reason to it I don't know why or why it will happen, last year, I saw my friend's twins coming to the festival, little babies, and I've known these people for you know 12 years now, and saw it like everything of all their life events and first into tears and the mom’s freaked out, that I wasn't okay I'm like your kids aren't here so it could me that and one year was a dance off one year was our headliner just like gave the most incredible performance and the I looked at the crowd and they were having so much fun, and then later on in the year our event actually raises for charities and that's what makes us kind of stand out from a lot of pride festivals, so we give away money to six local charities that all have major work they do Ferndale out and that's also awesome because every year at least for the last twelve years we've been able to increase that amount that we give to local charities and we keep, so we're keeping all of this money that comes in the city, in the city, working for people in the city, which is really cool.

Jim: Yeah, that's cool, what charities are they, so what are the six organizations that you're giving money back to with the event?

Julia: So we donate two affirmations which is an LGBT Community Center, located right in the heart of downtown Ferndale, the Ferndale Community Foundation which is the organization that hires me to do Ferndale Pride, and gives away micro grants all over the city, Gender Identity Network Alliance, Matrix Human Services, TG Detroit, and Transgender Michigan are six charities Transgender Michigan is founded by the same person who founded Transgender Day of Visibility she is from Michigan and she has a internationally known presence so it's really nice to be able to give back to someone who's literally changed the world. and so those are six and then we have a seventh that isn't an LGBT focus but working with western market which is our grocery store, and Ferndale it's called Ferncare, we have for no such a special place, we have this organization called Ferncare and it is a medical facility where people can go to get free medical treatment, period. Anyone from anywhere Michigan can come, there's full medical treatment, and also help with like giving medical insurance like I say down with them when I left my job and just said help me go through this insurance process and they provide that type of counselling, so just in this amazing programs so we have this we only have one beer in wine ten, we keep it all the alcohol off the street during our festival which is a little bit different as well, but we split the proceeds with Ferncare, so we able to get seven charities involved at least because those micro grants can actually reach more charities, so it's really cool thing, so in twelve years we've given just over 300,000 dollars back to our city.

Jim: Wow, that is such an accomplishment.

Julia: Thank you!

Jim: Have something that is something to be so proud of.

Julia: Yeah, it's shocking because like, that I always had those numbers bouncing in my head like, how much would we raise in these different events but then when it comes down to it and you see the impact it makes on the charities you know, making sure that people have food and clothing and mental health care and medical needs, it's just it's so important and this gives us the opportunity to have fun, but also provide these things that are so important for people.

Jim: Yeah, so how is you know, you talked about seven different charities now and you know, I imagine there's a lot that's evolved over the years from you know, when you started to now and, are there anything else like but you know obviously got many charities and that much money but, are there any other things that have evolved you know tremendously that you can look at, and that you can sit back and be super proud of?

Julia: I mean there is like a ceiling I think that it really kinda crystallize during Covid for a city that I'm really proud of, and that's like just like this feeling that it it's an essential part of us, Ferndaliens, actually that's what we're called, and that was really clear in during Covid because we did we're like you know what we can't have pride this year let's sell pride flags off my front porch and see what happens and we sold about five hundred pride flags, so right the five cities in the area were just like lit up with rainbows and everyone kind of posted their home pride pictures, so there's that feeling you have to create when pride day, it's happy pride, it's just like Merry Christmas, except it's probably said more, so happy pride is really like it's just the way it feels that day, people just greet each other that way, something that kind of blew my mind a few years back and just continues is, when I started this stuff back, but I came out I was like 1993, and so you know Ellen didn't come out for a few years later, I was an activist from the time I came out of the womb I think I was trying to change something in the world, so, I never really saw my own peers being supportive as a child, like there were kids who are like, oh you know they're they were cool with the fact that I was gay and they were so my friend but it wasn't like they were railing around to help me, but as we've progressed and I get into rooms with people we're one time you're having this major prayer of ceremony for the women who were fighting for marriage equality and I looked around the room and I realized, this is not all queer people this is a lot of our allies coming together and when I have allies tell me, you know, I bring my kids to pride because I want them to know that if they're queer their parents support them, that's like a different mindset than what I could even wrap my head around like of course mike it goes to probably because it's an mom's gay but like being able to say to your kids you know no matter who you are, we love and support you and we want you to see a variety of people and how they live in the world, like that's not something I had the privilege of seeing growing up, and that's probably one of the things I'm the most proud of, you know, the first pride festival I went to was in a parking structure and you know, I was so excited to be there but I looked back and think, that was, that was you know probably the best they could do at the time, but does not feel like a celebration and now you know, we're in the streets there's flexing hanging from every building like we're out visible, we're not just like hiding anymore, and that is I think the most, the biggest pride point for me.

Jim: that's incredible, and then to think that you've had a big helping hand in our community to evolve that and bring it to what it has is, awesome, thank you for everything you do really.

Julia: Thank you!
Jim: It's incredible. One last thing I wanted to kinda touch base on as it relates to you know, starting your own business and running your brand, what are what are your routines that you have, is there something that you wake up and every day, it's the same thing, and set your goals and can you kinda hit on that a little bit?

Julia: So I tried to look at two week block, and that's a little bit because I have a child shared custody schedule, so we have a week on week off so I kinda look at the two week block, my time schedule is not like a normal job so there are many nights where I work till 3am at a club or a party, and then there are times where I still have to make an interview at 8am in the morning, so today for example so I tried to budget my time throughout the week and give myself gaps, this is something I was really bad at until I got like really forced myself to do it, so, okay Jim said he wants to meet at this time to record the podcast, that means exactly one second after I can do this thing, I give myself at least 30 minutes between things, and I think that was erasing my teacher mindset of, you only get four minutes, you know, run to the bathroom come back, so I've erased that mindset and said you get half an hour to refocus, reset, drive to where you need to drive, that's helped, so I look at that budget and then I also look at like how am I gonna rebudget my sleep, because I don't get it I just like because of that, so like today I went to my morning job, I came home, I slept, then I woke up with enough time to prepare, so it's trying to like build in buffer times to take care of myself especially as a single person like, I have to make sure that like time to eat, on the schedule time and because you can get when you're like when you're a person who does their own business, you hopefully love your business and you wanna give your business everything and you can but you also have to make sure that you're like making time for yourself, because otherwise it just becomes to taxing, that's been the biggest thing is like looking at these two weeks chop two week chunks and trying to figure it out. And then the other thing I do, which is really helpful because this job is to a lot of nausea is, I try to think about things that people have said to me throughout my time probably to like motivate me, so like when I'm like bogged down because the made some rule that I really don't agree with and I'm really angry at the world, I try to stop and say, okay, I want you to think about this person who came to pride and what it meant to them and it's not about the street and why the pothole isn't filled the way you wanted it to be, it's about this, so between that time scheduling and the like those affirmations in my head, it really helps balance, if that makes sense, I know that's not like a specific, I gave up I gave a coffee, I gave them caffeine, and just a hyper person so I've like given up on any additives so the routine is usually just like wake up, and just beg start until your to kicks in.

Jim: I love how you said you, number one, you schedule more time for yourself after everything, I think that's so important, I know for me I find myself too often going into that last minute and then not being able to like you said, like reset or refresh, and have a good idea for what you're getting into next, I think that's a great point of advice.

Julia: You know, it's really interesting because a lot of people like, you know, joke about millennials, but I listen to a lot of millennials and the self care things I've learned from them are quite amazing as a generation X, like you know they say things like you know, after you've cried thank yourself for processing your feelings, and I was like, oh I grew up at a time where you just didn't cry.

Jim: Don't cry, yeah.

Julia: Because, I was like, so lot of so that budgeting of time really came from them saying, you know, you need to make more time for these things to occur, so you know also listening to people from different generations to go up with different expectations, it really help me kind of balance my life out.

Jim: What's, when you have an open mind and can kinda listen to everybody for you know different elements,of what who they are, like that's huge. So well, Julia, I thank you so much for spending a time today, I know you're extremely busy and I cannot wait to hear how everything goes in traveling the country, I can't be there this year for the festival, but I definitely am excited for it and thank you for, you know, again for everything you do for the community, and so yeah, I appreciate everything and with that Remote Start Nation, I really hope you can take some of what Julia gave you, and share with us today, and put that into your life and start something now.

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Julia: Okay, so if you'd like to join us for Ferndale Pride, it is on June 4^th, in Downtown Ferndale, on Woodward, and 9 mile located right on 9 mile, come toward 9 mile, you will find us, and we start our main stage at 12:30 and then we go all the way till 10:00 at night, pick up a pride guide or find us at www.ferndalepride.com. Our for Facebook and Instagram are also Ferndale Pride and hopefully, you will find us, and come to the festival and party with us that day!

Jim: Excellent! Thank you Julia!